I would guess the dbts sold in Cleveland are coming from New York and Maryland waters where others on the list have confirmed commercial harvest is legal and that fishermen and crabbers find dbts in their take that they sell to the food trade. Did you see the solicitation for donations on kingsnake posted by shawn about a documentary film project on turtles of the northeast that would include a feature on butchring live softshells in New York fish markets? There also would be a section on dbts and a mention that they and softshells are the most popular in the meat trade there. Anyone read the 1900 era recipes for terrapin? Basically they were boiled alive. The skinning and other operations are described as very time consuming and messy in even the period cookbooks. Only large females were considered worth the effort. Rowena Tan wrote: