Fwd: DTWG: The Southern Terrapin Group might want to look into this
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Attachments :Interesting development – anybody know this Justin Mitcham? -StephenAllen Salzberg
Attachments : I have never bought anything from him, but I see him posting ads on Kingsnake frequently. He sells turtles and tortoises. I live in the Fort Worth area and wondered about some of the animals he has for sale. I agree this is wrong, the diamondback terrapin populations along the gulf coast would be devastated in short order if just one person were to do what he envisions. I would like to meet with him and politely explain our position. The $60.00 permit applies to box turtles, and so probably the DBT as well. The Box Turtle Partnership of Texas is working with the State to change the regulations to ban unlimited (commercial) takes while still allowing individuals to have box turtles as pets (it’s a slow process). Something along the same line needs to be done for Malaclemys in Texas. Jim From: Stephen & Candace Chew [mailto:diamondback_terrapin@…] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:15 PMTo: Diamondback TerrapinsSubject: [diamondbackterrapins] Fwd: DTWG: The Southern Terrapin Group might want to look into this Interesting development – anybody know this Justin Mitcham? -StephenAllen Salzberg
Jim, I clicked on the crabbing forum link and noticed 2 inconsistencies: First, he claimed that they were for his own breeding program and that he wanted this particular subspecies because they were not as readily available as East Coast subspecies. Later, he goes on to clarify that he will be exporting them to China as brood stock for farming. All in all, he did such an excellent job of insulting the crabbers that he was promptly shown the door within a page and a half of posting! At any rate, whether for captive propagation or the food market, I doubt Texas populations will be able to sustain the harvest numbers he is wanting. Louisiana populations are a bit more abundant but I highly oppose any activity of this kind, especially since I think there are enough breeders out there that can adequately satisfy the herpetocultural demand. I couldn’t care less about satisfying the food market – we all know consumption of turtle meat is a cultural fad and an atrocious waste of the earth’s natural resources.. -Stephen . — In diamondbackterrapins@yahoogroups.com, “Floyd, James”
Stephen, Some times you get a “feel” for a person from the ads they post, but this guy is just too much! Thank goodness the crabbers blew him off. I fully agree with you. There are few reasons to capture wild terrapins for a breeding program. Not only are enough captive bred specimens available, why subject oneself and the wild caught animal to the inevitable problems and stresses of acclimation? Diamond Back Terrapins being shipped to China is almost too horrible to contemplate. Jim From: Stephen Chew [mailto:diamondback_terrapin@…] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:59 PMTo: diamondbackterrapins@yahoogroups.comSubject: [diamondbackterrapins] Re: Fwd: DTWG: The Southern Terrapin Group might want to look into this Jim,I clicked on the crabbing forum link and noticed 2 inconsistencies:First, he claimed that they were for his own breeding program and that he wanted this particular subspecies because they were not as readily available as East Coast subspecies.Later, he goes on to clarify that he will be exporting them to China as brood stock for farming. All in all, he did such an excellent job of insulting the crabbers that he was promptly shown the door within a page and a half of posting!At any rate, whether for captive propagation or the food market, I doubt Texas populations will be able to sustain the harvest numbers he is wanting. Louisiana populations are a bit more abundant but I highly oppose any activity of this kind, especially since I think there are enough breeders out there that can adequately satisfy the herpetocultural demand. I couldn’t care less about satisfying the food market – we all know consumption of turtle meat is a cultural fad and an atrocious waste of the earth’s natural resources..-Stephen.— In diamondbackterrapins@yahoogroups.com, “Floyd, James”
I’ve seen his ads on Kingsnake. Why would it be necessary to set up rescue/propagation facilities in China rather than in the USA?
He’s been on Kingsnake for quite a few years now & I can’t say w/ 100% certainty but I believe this is the same guy that I bought a sub-adult Chesapeake from, 5-6 years ago. I was on a different PC at the time so I’m going off memory &….well…….it’s not what it used to be! lol Supposedly she was cb and previously kept in freshwater……. but she came equipped w/ a free case of shell rot that wasn’t in the pictures so I have my doubts 😉 …….. live & learn I guess. Keith Message: 3 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen & Candace Chew
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