Check out the Texas female pic on kingsnake
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Dale in AZ has posted a pic on kingsnake of an adult female dbt that he labels as “Texas.” She is very similar to the two females I recently obtained that I was told came from Louisian last year. I have also seen pics of a group of dbts just out of the Gulf that have a male and female like Dale’s along with a male and females that more closely resemble the other Texas I have (different lighter skin patterns/colors with gold yellow around the shell edge and on the plastron and higher knobs with a little different scute development). This “mixed” group came out of approximately the same (unknown to me) area of the Gulf. I am wondering if anyone with field experience or otherwise familiar with southern dbts could comment on if the female pictured in Dale’s ad could be a “pileata” subspecies? His and my two females look like the picture in the Mara book identified as a pileata. Anyone know or care to speculate on what separates the pileata from the littoralis subspecies? Was pileata just used to describe dbts out of the Mississippi region during the circa 1900 food trade shipments up to the northeast for marketing purposes? Hay’s 1904 booklet says that Mississippi dbts (especially those from New Orleans) were second in price and desirability to the Chesapeakes. Were the Mississippi and Texas dbts intermingled in the Gulf circa 1900 or is this a more recent phenomenon? Hay’s 1904 booklet describes pileatas as coming from Louisiana, specifically the New Orleans markets. All of his Texas littoralis speciments came from Rockport, Texas, and exhibited very large knobs. Apparently Texas dbts were not too favored in the northeastern markets. So far, I seem to be hearing that the dbts across the Gulf are mixed and intermingled and I haven’t found anyone yet that is sure about the “pileata” subspecies – so this has just become an intriguing little tangent for me. Any thoughts? Todd in Texas
Pileata is found into LA and intergrades to texas. That appears to be a strongly pileata influence if not full. The plastron is too golden to be a texan I believe. I don’t think the black upper lip is common amongst texans either. BBM — In diamondbackterrapins@y…, Todd Stockwell
Dale got his female from the same guy and I believe the same area that my “Texans” came from. None of the ones that I got had dark upper lips and they are much lighter in color. I have pictures of them listed under my adult section. I know that they came from the New Orleans area. Jonathan Scute Mod http://www.geocities.com/diamondbackterrapins — In diamondbackterrapins@y…, Todd Stockwell
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