IV Fluids
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My vet is trying, the last vet about killed one of our sulcata until I stepped in. John (new vet) feels that we should only administer about 5 cc IV fluid w/ dextrose (I questioned that) 5 or 6 times a day to the back leg. Rather than large doses once a day that could hurt their kidneys. Also the leg rather than orally or through the vein allowing the body to absorb it naturally.These are my sub adult macros that have been attacked by a skin and possible bacterial infection. I’m not hopeful I can save them but would like to know what others have experienced. John will admit that terrapins aren’t his specialty, he can handle a sulcata. I am treating the skin with acriflavin but they have lost their appetites. I am afraid to administer the antibiotic without fluids for fear of harming the kidneys. John says use the antibiotic a few hours after a few doses of fluids. Any thoughts from the group? Thanks Lisa
I think the normal route for fluids is IC. Which antibiotics are u using? Did you do a culture and sensitivity? I got a nasty breakout on one of my northerns. There was massive infection on the skin eyes and mouth. After several rounds of Baytril we did a culture and found that it was a bacteria only sensistive to gentamycin (sp?). Good luck Julie —–Original Message—– From: Lisa A Lee [mailto:lisaannlee@…] Sent: 11 janvier 2005 10:44 To: diamondbackterrapins@yahoogroups.com Subject: [diamondbackterrapins] IV Fluids My vet is trying, the last vet about killed one of our sulcata until I stepped in. John (new vet) feels that we should only administer about 5 cc IV fluid w/ dextrose (I questioned that) 5 or 6 times a day to the back leg. Rather than large doses once a day that could hurt their kidneys. Also the leg rather than orally or through the vein allowing the body to absorb it naturally.These are my sub adult macros that have been attacked by a skin and possible bacterial infection. I’m not hopeful I can save them but would like to know what others have experienced. John will admit that terrapins aren’t his specialty, he can handle a sulcata. I am treating the skin with acriflavin but they have lost their appetites. I am afraid to administer the antibiotic without fluids for fear of harming the kidneys. John says use the antibiotic a few hours after a few doses of fluids. Any thoughts from the group? Thanks Lisa Yahoo! Groups Links
In a message dated 1/11/2005 7:47:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, lisaannlee@… writes:
Attachments : Hi Julie, he gave me both suspended baytril and cipro injectables to use at my discretion. Meaning decide on one, once daily.He did send out a culture today but by the time that comes back, well lets just say mine are very weak. It attacked so fast, one of the ones that died had a very very small patch on his foot, he died first and ate 2 days ago. Their all the same age, same tank, pretty close to the same body weight. Jonathon wrote me too, I believe the cipro is in the gentamycin family. This just took hold too quick, I am still in disbelief as I pay alot of attention to these guys. What do you mean my IC? There’s nothing on their mouth, two one of which has died have just a wee bit under the eye. Most of the patches are on their feet. My biggest concern is they stopped eating. He does have amikacin available. I will see how broad range cipro is. I am leary of their kidneys at this point as I had already given a dose of baytril to one that died. It was so sudden, that it made me wonder if any can handle the antibiotic without fluids. The longest period of non eating was 4 days ago by 2 of them, but they can’t lift their heads up. I’ve dealt with other skin infections but none affected their appetites or killed. Lisa ——-Original Message——- From: Julie Tougas Date: 01/11/05 10:48:52 To: diamondbackterrapins@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [diamondbackterrapins] IV Fluids I think the normal route for fluids is IC. Which antibiotics are u using?Did you do a culture and sensitivity? I got a nasty breakout on one of mynortherns. There was massive infection on the skin eyes and mouth. Afterseveral rounds of Baytril we did a culture and found that it was a bacteriaonly sensistive to gentamycin (sp?).Good luckJulie—–Original Message—–From: Lisa A Lee [mailto:lisaannlee@…]Sent: 11 janvier 2005 10:44To: diamondbackterrapins@yahoogroups.comSubject: [diamondbackterrapins] IV FluidsMy vet is trying, the last vet about killed one of our sulcata untilI stepped in. John (new vet) feels that we should only administerabout 5 cc IV fluid w/ dextrose (I questioned that) 5 or 6 times aday to the back leg. Rather than large doses once a day that couldhurt their kidneys. Also the leg rather than orally or through thevein allowing the body to absorb it naturally.These are my sub adultmacros that have been attacked by a skin and possible bacterialinfection. I’m not hopeful I can save them but would like to knowwhat others have experienced. John will admit that terrapins aren’this specialty, he can handle a sulcata. I am treating the skin withacriflavin but they have lost their appetites. I am afraid toadminister the antibiotic without fluids for fear of harming thekidneys. John says use the antibiotic a few hours after a few dosesof fluids. Any thoughts from the group? Thanks LisaYahoo! Groups Links
Attachments : See, I’m worried, so I need as much advice as I can get. Abdominal cavity, oh gosh.Bring it on,Lisa ——-Original Message——- From: DGGrekoff@… Date: 01/11/05 11:49:59 To: diamondbackterrapins@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [diamondbackterrapins] IV Fluids In a message dated 1/11/2005 7:47:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, lisaannlee@… writes: John (new vet) feels that we should only administer about 5 cc IV fluid w/ dextrose (I questioned that) 5 or 6 times a day to the back leg.Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? IV fluids in to the leg? I’ve never heard of IV fluids being used with turtles. Fluids (such as Ringer’s non-lactate) should go into the abdominal cavity with the hind led fully distended. There isn’t much up in that area and it is the best place for fluid absorption. Furthermore, it will help flush the kidneys, not hurt them. Gout is a very common problem with tortoises and tough on their kidneys and this is how they are flushed and treated.Dimitri
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